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>> "california's gold" is produced in association with kcet los angeles and is seen statewide on california public television. this series is endorsed by: well, hello, everybody.
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i'm huell howser and here we are on this beautiful morning in one of the most beautiful places anywhere in california. we're at leo carillo state park which is right on the coast in the northern part of malibu north of los angeles. and this beach is famous this park is famous for its beautiful beach and its beautiful stretch of ocean. look at that. it doesn't get any prettier than that. but we are not here to spend the day on the beach or in the water. we're here because of a fish story, a big fish story a big fish story that ends up being very much a part of "california's gold." okay, our adventure begins. we promised you a big fish story
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and i promise you will not be disappointed. here's the big fish himself right here. bill, introduce yourself to everybody. >> hey, huell. my name is bill ernst. i live in malibu and i just-- i've been spearing fish here at leo carillo for-- since the '60s. >> okay, spearin' fish. and here's the spear gun right here which is a whole 'nother way it's a whole kind of a group of you who specialize in spear fishing rather than fishing with a rod and a reel. >> right, huell. and this is all free diving where we hold our breath dive down, and spear the fish. so we're on equal grounds with the fish. it's very sporting that way. >> you're down there with the fish. >> with the fish holding our breath. >> all right. so you like to come out here. boy, it's a beautiful morning out here. >> it is. >> this a beautiful place. how do you get along with the surfers? >> oh, real good. i go out in a kayak and i go down a little bit outside of the surfers where there's not much surf so i can get out real easy.
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>> all right. so you got out and you kayak and you go down underwater with your spear gun and let's kind of begin telling the story now. what happened on the day before the story we're gonna finally hear about? >> well, the day before, i heard that white sea bass were in the area. and so i went out to my favorite hole which i've gotten white sea bass like i say for the past 40 years. >> you like to look for white sea bass, don't you? >> white sea bass is the most primo fish any fisherman or diver could get in california. >> yeah. so you heard there was white sea bass out here. they were running out of here. >> they were running and so i went to my favorite hole and it took me about half hour but end up spearing a 68-pounder. >> whoa. >> sixty-eight was my personal best. it is my club record. i was the happiest guy in the world to get that 68-pounder. >> so you got a 68-pound white sea bass with your spear gun here. >> that's correct. >> okay. now most people would be satisfied with a 68-pound white sea bass. but you came back
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for more the very next day and what happened? >> well, yeah. i came back for more because i don't go out to spear records. i get fish to eat. and my--i got--from my parents their whole life. and so i went out just trying to get another fish and i didn't really care about records. i thought that i couldn't beat a 68-pounder. >> the very next day you went out. >> very next day, i paddle my-- and i didn't wanna mess around so i went-- paddled it about 50 feet from where i speared that exact same 68-pounder. oh, i only made two dives. i dove one dive about the middle of the kelp and then my second dive was toward the edge of the kelp exactly where i got the fish. >> and what did you see down there? >> well-- >> how easy, how hard is it to see a big fish underwater amongst all the kelp? >> well, it depends on the visibility that day. but that day the visibility was about 20 feet so you could-- 20 feet is a fairly normal and reasonable to spear these fish. >> and what did you see? something that looked like moby dick off in the background? what did you see?
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>> well, on that second dive i started kicking toward the outside of the kelp where i knew the fish could be and i saw two huge fish, the biggest white sea bass i've ever seen in my life. >> two of them. >> they were two of them. the one in front was humongous but i couldn't get close to him because as soon as they sense you, they're real wary fish. they could sense your movement in the water. i couldn't get the furthest one away so i took-- put my sights on the one on the back which was a little bit smaller. and i end up making a pretty good shot on him. >> you speared him. >> speared him, yeah right through about the center of the body up toward the head. and so immediately, he took off, swimming straight down. i was in about 60 feet of water but i was only about 15 feet down where i shot him. so he took off going for the bottom-- >> he took you down with him? >> well, i have a line attached to the back of my gun and so i let him take the gun in the line and holding on at the end of the line. and luckily, i made such a good shot that he only ran out about 30 feet and then he stopped and then i was on the surface by then 'cause i was holding my breath while he was going out and i just pulled him right up.
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>> and all this happened basically right up-- >> right up-- exactly right out there. that's my hotspot. >> all right. now, we've led up to the payoff and that's what we're getting ready to see right now. >> and here it is. get ready because i guarantee you people at home have never-- well, nobody has ever seen a fish this big. >> never, never. the previous world record was 80 pounds, and this was 93.4. >> 93.4-pound white sea bass that you caught right here. you speared it right here. >> exactly right here. it just blew the old record out of the water. >> and why did you think when you saw what you had done and started pulling it out of the water? >> well, initially it was further away than i thought. and so when i shot it, i thought maybe 60, 70 pounder. and then after i pulled it off the bottom as i was pulling it toward me, it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger,
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and i couldn't believe it. it barely fit in my board. and so the same board that the 68 pounder fit in real easily and this one just barely fit in. >> you hardly get this out of the water on the shore and up to your car, right? >> it was real difficult. it took me about four or five drags to drag it up to the car. >> oh my-- >> and then i couldn't lift it in my car. i had to wait for a surfer to come by to help me in the car. >> it was so heavy. >> yeah, it was so big. >> and why is this fish this big? i--i mean, this is the biggest in the world. >> heaven only knows. everybody has said they've seen 90 and 100 pounders but no one has ever gotten them. back in the '60s when it was the heyday for white sea bass no one even got an 80 pounder. so who knows what led to it? >> and what did you do with the fish? first off, we should let everybody know this is not-- >> no, not the real fish. >> --the fish. but this is an exact replica of the fish. this is a mold of your fish. >> that's correct. i took it to lyons and o'haver in san diego which is a premier
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fish mounting people and they had never seen one this big. so they had to make a special mold then they-- >> for this fish. >> --they casted the exact fish and printed it up. >> and where do you have this thing? do you have it up over your mantle at home? >> oh, yeah. yes. it's--'cause like i say, i never go after world records or anything like that. and to have a local malibu boy spear it here on the spot that i dove for 40 years is just wonderful. >> did you have your picture in the paper? >> oh, yeah. >> you sent us. and i'm gonna get out of the way because look, you're-- this is almost exactly the picture that you sent us. a full poster of you standing there with your fish grinning from ear to ear-- >> and i couldn't be happier. >> this, for a fisherman is about as good as it gets. >> it is. this is the premier fish for california right here. and to get one that big is just out of the world. >> so, are you famous now? are you in the record books? have you had newspaper articles? we're here with our television cameras. i mean this is a life-changing event.
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>> well, huell this is probably the most recognition i've ever gotten. spear fishing is kind of a small sport and it's kind of in-house group. so it's nice to be recognized for this. >> and how do you top this? or do you even try? there's the-- >> no. no. i can't even think about it. >> it's all downhill from here. >> exactly. exactly. >> well, it's a beautiful, beautiful fish. white sea bass are good eating. >> they're the best fish in california. >> yeah. >> and some divers go their whole lives without ever getting one. they're so wary that any little noise, any bubble coming out of your wetsuit-- >> they spook-- >> --scared-- >> --real easy. >> real easy. real easy. so-- >> well, this one was probably kind of complacent after all these years. >> being that big, yeah. >> it had escaped being caught for so many years. how old do you think this fish is? >> well, this fish inside have ear bones. and these ear bones, they dissect them and they're like rings of a tree. and this one, i took it to the hubbs institute down in san diego-- >> that's a perfect segue
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because we're gonna go today-- it's called the-- what institute? >> hubbs-- >> hubbs institute. so-- >> it's a hubbs-seaworld institute. >> right. >> it was a seaworld building and hubbs-- they donated to hubbs institute. >> and you took-- what did you take out of here? >> it's the ear bone. >> you took the ear bone of the fish. >> well, here's the exact ear bone right here. this is the exact one, one of them. they're a pair. they're mirror images of each other, and this is off one of the sides. and you could see they're slightly rounded on the bottom. >> and that's the real ear bone. >> this is the real one and they use these for balance. >> that's what you sent down to hubbs institute and they can age a fish. it's like rings on a tree. >> that's-- well, they had to cut it twice. they had to ruin it to do it. that's why i saved one. >> well, i'm gonna give this back to you 'cause this is a prize too. >> yeah, i make earrings and all sorts of jewelry out of them. >> well, you can make a lot out of this. >> yeah, oh yeah. >> well, this has been very exciting. but this is just the first part of our adventure because we're gonna leave you and your fish here
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at leo carillo beach and we're gonna now travel to the hubbs institute because this story has now developed into a larger story about white sea bass in california and things being done to protect and preserve them for future generations to enjoy just like you enjoyed the experience of catching this one. >> yeah, you'll be amazed at how thorough these guys are at hubbs. they do such a great job of perpetuating the white sea bass-- >> well, we're ready to go. we're ready to be amazed. but i don't know what's gonna top this. this is about as good as it gets. let's just stand back and get a shot of you standing. he's right here on the beach where it all happened, the record holder with his record fish. how many pounds, 90-- >> 93.4. >> 93.4. bill ernst, his name is in the record books with the largest white sea bass
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ever caught anywhere in the world. >> thank you, huell. >> and a fine example, both of them are of "california's gold." our adventure continues. we're heading south. okay. our fish story continues. our fish adventure our white sea bass adventure continues. we have left bill on the beach with the replica of his 90-plus pound white sea bass and we have come down the carlsbad, california to the hubbs-seaworld research institute. and fellows, it's nice to see you all here. i've never heard of the hubbs-seaworld research institute. we're gonna find out more about what you do, i guess. the first question is, how did you get involved in bill's white sea bass story? >> well, we had heard that bill had landed this world record fish.
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of course, it was all in the news it was all over the cover of magazines, et cetera. and so, at that point, we had been doing a study at white--looking at the age of white sea bass. and so, to age white sea bass, we use the ear stones. and you can cut the ear stones and count rings like you would on a tree and we'll see-- >> now, wait a minute. when you say ear stones, what do you mean, it's a bone, isn't it? >> yes. >> he showed us that he has one in his hand up there. >> and so, all fish have three pairs of those bones, and so he showed you one of the pair of bones. he, actually, upon our request i asked him if can i get one of those bones from him and explaining the importance and the scientific contribution that it could have. and he said, "sure, i'll gladly send you one of the bones." and so-- >> so he cut out one of the ear bones-- >> yes. >> it's got a technical name. >> it's called an otolith or a sagittal otolith, in particular for this one. >> and he sent it to you. >> yes. >> okay. and what did you do with it? is that where we're gonna find out inside here? >> yeah. so, we'll see exactly how we processed it, we embedded it in resin, we cut it in half, and we looked under a microscope and we counted rings
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just like you would on a tree to age this fish. >> so you wanted to see how old the fish was. and mark, we're standing in front of this building. i assume we're gonna get the tour, right? >> yeah, you sure will. we'll get a tour here. this is where we raise white sea bass for release back into the ocean to replenish wild populations. >> and why white sea bass? why is the hubbs research institute interested in white sea bass? that's kind of a narrow area of interest, isn't it? >> yeah. well, it represents a starting point and it's probably the most popular sport in commercial fish along the southern california coastline. and the populations have been heavily depleted over the last 20 or 30 years. so, it's a good species to work with. >> so you're studying white sea bass and what better white sea bass to study than the world record holder right? >> that's correct. that's correct. >> all right. let's go inside and see what's going on. i bet you, you got a lot of white sea bass in here, right fellows? >> just a few. >> absolutely, yeah. >> okay.
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we're inside the-- this looks like a laboratory of sorts. >> yes, it is, and this is where we do the work or did the work on bill's otolith. >> a fish laboratory. >> a fish laboratory, yes. >> all right. now, i don't know much about labs, but i know this is a fish head. >> yes, it was. it was a fish head. it still is a fish head, but what this represents actually, it's a head of a white sea bass. and inside here, this is kind of show you where the ear bones or the otoliths sit. they sit inside this cavity here. >> look at this. >> and so, this is where bill took his otoliths out of. >> right from in here. >> yes, in here, yes. and so they have two pairs and so, basically, this one can remove-- >> okay. >> and basically i got on one of these in the mail from bill. and so now, how do we age the white sea bass? well, this is how we do this. we basically put the otolith in the tray-- >> a tray. >> --and we embed it in like ice cube tray here and you embed the otolith in the resin. so now you can see the-- >> so you just poured resin in-- >> we poured resin in there.
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it hardens and you've got now this ice cube of resin with the otolith inside. >> this is the ear bone inside here-- >> that's the ear bone. yes. >> --and then, look at this, i have an idea. i know what you did. >> yes. and so-- >> you sliced it right here. >> exactly. so, this here, it's secured in here. this is a diamond blade. it basically spins around and you just put the ear bone on there and the resin and it just cuts right through makes a nice little sliver of the otolith. >> so, this is getting the cross-section, just like you would get a cross-section of a tree-- >> correct. >> --to see all of the rings. >> yes. >> and look over here. i don't wanna get this mixed up for these. you all--you do a lot of this, don't you? >> yes. we were doing quite a bit. so you can see we've done literally thousands of these both-- >> these are all white sea bass. >> these are all white sea bass from our--some of them are from our hatchery or known age fish and some are from the wild all kind of mixed in here and leftover from the study that we've been doing for the past year. >> okay. so you got it sliced. >> yes. >> and then we go over here,
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right? >> yes. so then we put it under the microscope so we can then take a look at it closer. and this, in fact, is bill's-- slice of bill's otolith right here. >> this is it right here. >> this is it right here. yes. and then, looking at it through the camera on the microscope, we then can count rings-- >> oh, this is it. >> this is it right here. yes. >> this is the cross-section right here. >> yes. as you'd see it, yes. >> and each one of these little yellow lines represents what? >> it represents one year of growth. and it's kind of amazing when you cut it, these little yellow lines just show up. well, actually we just put those lines on there to make it easier for you to-- easier for you to see it there right-- >> but if you know what you're looking for-- >> yes. >> --you know where those lines are. >> yes. >> so, you figured out from this cross-section that bill's fish was how old? >> his fish was 24 years old. >> is that old for a white sea bass? >> well, you know, no one's really conducted a study to this level, looking at the bones
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of the fish, and so, yes, it is probably for a 94-pound fish that bill caught a 24, 20, you know, 25 years these fish probably don't live much beyond 30 years in age. >> but wait a minute what do you mean you haven't done research. you got a whole box of them right here. >> yes, we have. but you know, no one's done it up until this point, and so it looks like the 24-year-old, that's the oldest fish that we've seen in our studies. >> really? >> that's right, that's right. so bill's fish, you know you look in this box where there's literally thousands of otoliths and bill's would be the biggest among these, so that's what makes it so significant. >> so, his was the biggest white sea bass caught and the oldest white sea bass caught. >> that's correct. >> anywhere in california or anywhere in the world? >> well, anywhere that we've gotten otoliths from. certainly anything in modern time and we haven't seen otoliths from people who've collected fish, you know, say, back in the late 1800s. i mean, certainly known people have caught white sea bass back at that time. >> well, i tell you 'cause i know bill's watching. i don't wanna even raise the possibility that at some point his record might be eclipsed.
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>> yes, so. who knows? >> it still though-- >> it still holds the record right now. yes, yes, it is. >> according to the people here at the hubbs institute-- >> that's correct. >> --the fish is still the oldest and the biggest. >> the biggest. yes. >> okay. now, we're getting in to the main part of the research institute here. lots of big tanks full of-- look at this. big, white sea bass. what is the deal here? >> well, these are our breading stocks. so we call them our broodstock. these are adult white sea bass that we're collected from the wild. we have an equal mix of males and females in here. the biggest one's probably approaching maybe 70 pounds in size. >> boy, they are big fish. >> they sure are. we have four breeding tanks with about 50 adult fish in each tank. and each tank is set on its own seasonal cycle of water temperature and daylight. and so through that process, we can get one batch
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of fish or another to be spawning year round. >> so they are happy white sea bass. >> very happy white sea bass. >> you know that for sure. >> well, they-- we're getting eggs from them so they gotta be very happy. >> we're getting the fish tour. this is a huge facility. we've seen the big fish, the breeding fish. now, where have you brought us, mark? >> well, this is where the eggs get stocked. and so, at this particular time, we have, in this tank here white sea bass larvae that are a week old. >> so wait a minute. these are-- each one of those little specks is a-- potentially a white sea bass. >> it is a small white sea bass. it's a larval stage of a white sea bass. >> how old are these? >> one week old. >> wow. >> so it's amazing to think that even bill's fish started off that small. >> so how many of these-- how many millions of them do you have here in a year's period of time?
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>> we have literally millions, starting off at this size. millions of eggs and, of course, in the wild and in the hatchery, mortality is pretty high at the early stages. but our goal is to produce hundreds of thousands of juvenile fish for release. >> it just keeps getting better. from the larvae, those teeny, little larvae look at this. what are we looking at now? obviously, they've gotten older. >> that's right. these are three months old. so juvenile--what we call juvenile white sea bass by this stage. and they're looking like miniature versions of the adults that you saw earlier. >> and you've got thousands of them in this one tank here. >> that's right. so it's part of our goal of getting as i mentioned earlier hundreds of thousands of fish out into the water. >> next step. now these two white sea bass are not dead. they are-- >> anesthetized. >> yeah, because what are we gonna do next? >> because next we're going to tag them.
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every single fish that we release, we place a tag in their cheek muscle. >> can i pick one up? >> sure. >> boy, he's out. and how do you do that? >> and so, how we do that is with this machine here. and, basically this is a jaw muscle. we'll actually put them-- the tag right into here, tag them. >> so the tag goes right inside. >> the tag will go right in. yes, so-- the reason, i don't know-- put this tag in there. but yes-- >> yeah, i got the idea there. there you go. >> the tag goes right inside. we then take this wand and we can pass it over the cheek and tell, "yeah, looks like it's been tagged." and then, let him go. >> all right. now, look at this. "did you donate your white sea bass' head today?" i did. now, what is this all about? >> so that's about asking fishermen to remember to save the heads of the legal-sized white sea bass they catch. >> that they catch. >> yes. so we can then go back look for that little tag that we just placed in the cheek and that information-- the number that's etched on that tag will tell us where we released that fish. so, for example,
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a fisherman says "hey, i caught this fish at catalina island this year." i can go back and look at the database and say, "hey, this--" after pulling that tag out "this fish was released in san diego 13 years ago." >> oh, so you know how long the fish lives, where the fish traveled. it kind of gives you information about the migration of the fish. >> and about the success of our program. >> and you have to tag how many individual fish every year? >> well, you know, up to at least 350,000 fish. >> who gets that job? is that your--is that? try to hold back your enthusiasm and your excitement because-- and you anesthetized these little fish for what? a few minutes. >> a few minutes. >> and then they pop back up. ready to go. >> --and they're ready to go. >> so he won't remember a thing in the morning. but he's gonna be tagged-- >> yup. >> --and released. and the release is the last part of our fish story. and that's coming up next.
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it just keeps getting better. we've now come to huntington beach. we're at the huntington beach harbor and what are we looking at now, mike? >> well, huell, we're looking at one of 13 grow-out facilities that we have here in southern california. we bring the fish again from the hatchery at that three-inch size, deliver them to these grow-out pens that are run by these volunteers like bob here and-- >> grow-out. >> yes. grow-out. so they actually spend months here. not just weeks but months where they'll get to about 10 inches in size. that's what their size roughly that we're releasing them at so-- >> and then you're gonna release them. >> release them. yes. >> bob, what's going on? what's your name, sir? >> bob hetzler. >> okay. tell us what's going on here. this looks very exciting. you're fishing out a lot of white sea bass. >> well, that's right. we're ready to release them, but when we release them we have to count how many we're gonna release. >> so you gotta count every fish that's in there. how many you got in there the last count? >> about 2,500. >> oh. you have to count each one of them individually. >> individually, one by one.
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so we have-- >> now, how long have they been in there? >> they've been in here 168 days. >> okay. so you are their guardian-- >> we're their mama for-- >> --for 168 days. and the name of this organization is hope-- harbour ocean preservation enhancement. >> yeah. it all comes down to hope, harbour ocean preservation enhancement. the short of that is hope. hope for our white sea bass. >> okay, and all these fellows here are just doing-- just volunteer work. >> these are all our volunteers. we have volunteers that work three or four days a week, cleaning the pen checking the fish-- >> so you feed the fish? >> --feeding the fish, and doing it. and that goes on every week for the whole-- >> the whole time they're here. >> --for the whole time they're here. >> and somebody's counting them right now. every fish is getting counted. >> that's right. that's right. >> all right. now, what's going on down here? look, we got another thing going on down here. what's happening down here, fellows? >> hey. we're measuring and weighing the fish and checking for tag retention and also taking-- >> fish from in here?
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>> right. >> not all 2,600 of them. >> no, no. just a sub-sample of them. >> uh-huh. >> and what we'll do is we'll take two lengths and a width. >> look at this. this is fascinating. >> it's 202. >> so you're measuring the length of a fish. >> 232. >> he's writing it down. >> then we get the weight. >> then what are you doing? >> we weigh them up here. >> now, is this fish been kind of deadened a little bit, anesthetized? >> oh, yeah. you know, these fish are under anesthesia. >> okay. what was that you just did? >> well, this is checking for the coded wire tag. it's this fancy metal detector. >> okay. >> if it beeps-- >> so the tag's in there. >> tag's in there. >> and then what are you gonna do? >> i'm gonna hold it tight and danny's gonna take a fin clip. >> a fin. why are you doing that? >> it's just for genetic purposes. >> so you're clipping. you're getting a little bit of dna there. >> that's right. that's right, so we'll know-- >> then you put it in there, and as soon as it kind of gets back to life, what are you gonna do? release it? >> then they get released. >> wow. this whole thing is fascinating. >> it's very intricate. a lot of steps along the way. >> wow. who would've thought that you go to all that trouble
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for each individual fish that's released out there? >> we're just trying to be responsible in our approach to helping replenish and bring back white sea bass fishery to what it was back, you know, in the '50s and earlier. >> because it's gone down. they've gone down in numbers, right? >> correct. the number of fish that have been caught by the fishermen just aren't what they were you know back in the '50s when they landed 50, 60,000 fish a year. now, it's just a fraction of that at a few thousand fish a year. >> so there it is, our fish story a fish story that started with bill ernst and his record setting white sea bass. that story led us to the hubbs research institute to see all the good work that you're doing. then we've followed the fish all the way here to hope in huntington beach and to see the good work your organization and all your volunteers are doing. this has been fascinating. all of it is about helping to preserve and protect
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and replenish the white sea bass here in california. right, mike? >> that's correct. hopefully, someday they will come back to what they were historically. >> well, you're certainly doing your part. congratulations. >> right. thank you. >> congratulations to all the volunteers. don't lose count whatever you do. this has been a great fish story a fish story where bill, his fish the hubbs research institute your organization and all the other organizations. all of them together fine examples of "california's gold." now, this has been a fish story that you can believe. it's the real thing, isn't it? >> that's right, huell. >> well, congratulations to our friend bill earnst and his record-holding white sea bass. and if you'd like to go on this fishing adventure again, share it with family or friends, or perhaps donate a copy to your local school or library,
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here's dad's discharge papers from the boston fire department. here's his birth certificate. here's mom's death certificate. look, it's a picture of dad and uncle brendan. they look so young. just about your age. oh, grandma and grandpa's passports from ireland.
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these passports were processed at ellis island, in 1920. they must have sailed right past the statue of liberty. god, that must have been something! can you imagine what that was like? it's an old irish ring. isn't it beautiful? kevin: i can understand what the heart means, but... what about the hands and the crown? the hands mean friendship and the crown means loyalty. there's something engraved on it. what does it say? i don't know it's in irish. must've been mom's.
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no. i never saw this ring on mom's finger. maybe it's grandma's. look-- u.s. savings bonds. there's about 40 here, and they're each $100. $4,000! kevin, you were right. dad did have an insurance policy. "whole life. "patrick francis casey. face value: $50,000." 50,000?! 50,000 big ones? that's wild. "beneficiaries: rebecca casey and kevin casey." i mean, would you look at us!
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are we rich, or what? kevin, we're not rich. dad's insurance money will barely pay for college for one of us, not to mention the rent, and bills, and... are you kidding me? $50,000! i could get a motorcycle a lap-top... kevin, try to remember why we're getting this money. i remember. so what are we going to do? first, we cash in these savings bonds. mm-hmm. rebecca: next, we'll call the life insurance company and see how we can cash in the policy. oh, no! one of those automated answering services. yeah, where did all of the human operators go? they put me on hold. maybe we should talk to uncle brendan and ask what would be better-- a c.d. or some other kind of investment. yeah, especially for the big money
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from the insurance policy. wait a minute. recorded voice: for information on redeeming an insurance policy, please press "3" now. press "3." man: hello? yes, hello. my father died recently and i'd like to cash in his insurance policy. one moment. can you hold, please? yes, i can hold. boy! "beneficiary," "fiduciary," "underwriting." every word they use is a mile long. i have a feeling this is going to take some time. yes. yes, i understand. can i have your name, please? "joan." thank you very much, joan. bye. so? it's not a big deal. they said we'd probably get the money in two to three months. one minute we're broke; the next, we're loaded!
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i'm exhausted. look... i've been thinking about what you were talking about. me, too, i think that... let me go first, o.k.? rebecca, i want you to go back to college. that's what dad would want, too. i've been doing some thinking, too. i've decided that i can't leave you here alone. i know this is hard for you to believe but i'm not a little kid anymore. kevin, i don't think of you as a little kid... sure you do. look, i've been talking to a few of my friends and they all have jobs. three of them want to move in here with me. we'd split the rent four ways. sounds like a great idea but aren't these the same guys that got thrown out of that apartment on gardener street? it wasn't their fault. the landlord was a creep. sure, and what happens if you and your friends can't cover the rent? we'll pay the rent, you'll see. i don't think it's such a smart idea to live with these guys.
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it could lead to trouble. that's what i'd be there for-- to keep them in line. oh, kevin, be serious for once, i mean, really! damn it! "kevin, what happens if you do this? kevin, what happens if you do that?" when are you going to stop acting like my mother? kevin, let's not start this again. no, let's get this out in the open, once and for all! you don't think i can do anything by myself. rebecca, why don't you just go back to san francisco and let me live my own life? kevin, i don't want to start another argument. i am too tired. i don't have time for this. rebecca, admit it. you just don't want to go to san francisco. kevin, that's not it. sure it is! you're using me as an excuse because you don't want to go to college. kevin, i want to go back. i should be there. i need to be there for a hundred reasons. then go back, rebecca. go back. i can take care of myself, believe it or not. you're all the family i have. we'll be thousands of miles apart.
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what's a few thousand miles? i mean, they have phones there, don't they? yeah, well... let me think about it. rebecca and kevin found a key to a safe-deposit box. keys! "fleet bank." inside of the box, she found that ring. rebecca: it's an old, irish ring. isn't it beautiful? an old, irish passport. oh, grandma and grandpa's passports, from ireland. one passport tells us the whole story-- whole history of the family. yeah, and then you see the pictures. "oh, my, they were so young." in the box they found some savings bonds for about $4,000. u.s. savings bonds. there's about 40 here, and they're each $100.
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$4,000! and they found a $50,000 insurance policy. dad did have an insurance policy. "whole life. "patrick francis casey. face value: $50,000." what do you think? well, i think that kevin and rebecca's father wanted to be sure that all the memories from their family were preserved, and he wanted to leave that to his children, to remember their roots. it also gives you a different perspective of patrick-- of this man-- very sensitive; this man with big feelings concern about his children. all of a sudden, rebecca and kevin have a lot more options because they have money. kevin, you know, is still young, and if he got... if i got that big money i'm sure that i'm going to use it for something for fun.
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anne: you weren't kidding-- this place is really old. rebecca: yeah, the union oyster house is one of the oldest restaurants in the united states. it dates back to 1826. rebecca: look, there's a portrait of george washington. and there's abraham lincoln. kevin: and there's betsy ross and the first american flag. hi. how many? four of us, please. four? four right over here. i'll take your coats. thank you. thank you. you're welcome.
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so, is everyone going to have oysters? are you? waitress: would you like an appetizer? yes, please. oysters-- a dozen. why don't you order another dozen for the table? okay, sure. by the way this is my treat. oh, get out of here! this is our treat. i've never had oysters. i don't know if i'll like them. you'll love them. but they're raw. don't worry, they slide right down. sorry, folks. these are not for me. ( laughter ) thanks anyway. it's an acquired taste. mm-hmm. we have some good news. it turns out dad had an insurance policy, and kevin and i are the beneficiaries.
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it's worth $50,000. i just called the insurance company today and they're going to send the check in a couple of months. well, that's a blessing. i guess firemen have to take out life insurance. how did you find out about it? rebecca: we found a metal box in dad's room, with keys in it. the keys were to a safe-deposit box. actually, kevin had heard dad say something about an insurance policy, but he didn't pay attention. he didn't think it was important. anyway when we went to the bank to open the safe-deposit box we found the insurance policy, some savings bonds worth $4,000, and... this jewelry box. i remember my mother wearing this. a claddagh ring, she called it.
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your grandmother always said the ring brings you good luck if someone buys it for you and bad luck if you buy it for yourself. oh, and the ring tells a story. if you wear it this way, see with the heart towards you it means you're spoken for. but if you turn it and wear it with the heart away from you it means... you're available. kevin and i talked it over and we want you to have the ring. thank you. this means a... a great deal to me. i'd like anne to have it.
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and someday, we'll return it to one of you. i parked the car over there, on the other side of quincy market. rebecca, when are you returning to california and college? i don't know yet. i'm not sure i'm going to... you must. i have some things to take care of first. one of those things is me. rebecca: one idea is for kevin to move to san francisco with me. i never agreed to that. well, it's a possibility, kevin. i told you what i want to do. my friends are here. i don't want to move to california. another option is for me to stay in boston with kev for a while. maybe i'll take the rest of the semester off. oh, don't give up school. i won't-- just until kev gets going.
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hey! leave me alone! you do what you want i'll do what i want! i'm not a child. brendan: i really don't have the right to stick my nose into your business, but... kevin-- the rental car's over here. i'm going to walk home. it's crazy for you to drop out even for a semester. look, you worked hard. you paid tuition. you'll lose all that. rebecca: i just can't leave him here alone. anne: maybe we can think of some solution that, you know... is suitable for both of you. come on, honey, you're good at solving problems. brendan: ah, there must be something we can do... what's that?
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kev? kevin? kevin! it was kevin. he's gone. he's been through a lot. yeah. i'm afraid this whole thing has really upset him. it's not easy for a kid to lose his parents. why did i ever leave boston in the first place?
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what's up? nothing. i felt like seeing you. oh. well, i'm glad you called. where did you get the car? i borrowed it. i think what kevin needs is time... to think things through. i can understand that. i mean, if i put myself in his place. kevin seemed really upset. he should be back soon... i hope. do you think this is the right time...?
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( rebecca sighs ) ( clears throat ) brendan: uh... anne and i have been talking about this whole situation and we, uh... we thought maybe a solution would be for you and kevin to come out to the farm and stay with us for a while, and that would give you both time to think about what you want to do. to the farm. we don't want to impose. you have your own family and responsibilities. nonsense. you're our family. now, come home with us... i mean, even for a short while. it would be good for both of you to get to know your cousin, michael and his family. we'd love to have you come. who knows? kevin might even like the farm. that's very generous of you...
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but i... i don't know. ( sighs ) it might be just what we need... but i can't speak for kevin. speaker: in restaurant, rebecca she told them that she found the safety-deposit box and inside of the box, she found the grandmother's ring. kevin is terribly upset because everybody's making decisions telling him what to do. hey, leave me alone! you do what you want i'll do what i want! i'm not a child. kevin took the car. kevin picks up his girlfriend.
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what's up? nothing. i felt like seeing you. uncle brendan has a proposal. uncle brendan suggested to rebecca that she and kevin might spend some time on the farm and relax. we thought maybe a solution would be for you and kevin to come out to the farm and stay with us for a while, and that would give you both time to think about what you want to do. it might be just what we need... but i can't speak for kevin. speaker: i think kevin is trying to show rebecca he's not a kid anymore. speaker: he is going through a very traumatic period-- the death of his father. on top of that as a young man having someone making decisions for you... it's terrible. but do you think was... was nice he took the key without permission? this is not a planned action. because it was not a pland action
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that's even worse then because that's impulse and you make big mistakes on impulse. kevin would benefit from some guidance from an older adult in the family. he has many things to say that are not being heard. he has never been given the opportunity. that's totally unfair. let's put ourselves into his position. would you like everybody else to make decisions for you? well, i wouldn't like, but i wouldn't take the key, believe me.
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funding for crossroads cafe was provided in part... funding for crossroads cafe was provided in part... by the departments of education of the states of... california florida, illinois... and new york. and by the united states department of education... and the united states immigration and naturalization service.
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hi, jess. i see you're finally getting a new neighbor. you mean the place next door ? a good thing. i don't like a vacant building. it makes the whole place look shabby. especially next to our glamorous establishment. could you tell what kind of business it's going to be ? no. the windows are all covered with paper.
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as long as it's not another restaurant i don't care who moves in there. you know what would be good ? a really nice dress shop. - that's a terrible idea. - why ? -we'd spend all our money there. -i don't think it's going to be a dress shop. they were loading in big, heavy boxes this morning, much too big for dresses. what kind of store sells big, heavy things ? - maybe it's a health club. - oh, that's not good. why not ? it might do you some good to join a health club. all day long there will be banging and clanging and loud music. our customers like to eat in peace and quiet. - hi, sara. - hi, mr. brashov. looks like you're getting a new neighbor. - yes, i know. - oh, sara ! you're early. i had a free period, so i thought i'd come down and see what you were up to. hello, sara. ¿ como estas ? muy "bren," rosa. gracias. not bad. soon i will have you speaking spanish like a latina. did you tell them yet ? no, it's been busy. - tell us what ? - well, it's not busy now.
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it's nothing important. henry ! well, it's important to us just not to them. so, what is it ? sara and i are going together. - that's wonderful, but i think we already knew that. - you did ? - it's pretty obvious from the way you two behave. - it is ? it is ! but it's nice. i don't like to break up this momentous occasion, but we all have work to do. where's your romantic nature, victor ? i'm romantic. but i also have a business to run. that wasn't so bad was it ? no, but it's not like we had to tell them anything. it'll be good practice for when we tell our parents. you're going to tell your parents ? well, of course. aren't you going to tell yours ? what for ? well, don't you want them to know ? sure, but it's not like i have to ask their permission. i mean, when it comes to things like this, i pretty much make my own decisions. well this is very special to me, and i want my parents to share in it. henry, i need you. be right there
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mr. brashov. i know what. come to dinner at my house on thursday. we'll tell them then. but can't we wait ? won't you do this for me ? please ? okay, i'll do it. set it up. all right. see you later. bye, everybody. bye, sara. edward, please use the spoon. you'll never guess who came by the university today. - you're right. so tell me. - grace fong. jerry's being transferred back here, and she's looking for a place to live. -be nice to see them again. -you remember the fongs, don't you, and their daughter karen ? - is she good-looking ? - i think she might be a little old for you, edward. that's okay. i like older women. you two used to play together when
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you were young. here's a picture. - very pretty. - isn't she ? and very bright. she's going to m.i.t. next year. - whoa, she's a babe ! - that's enough, edward. sit down. remember how we used to joke about the two of them getting married someday ? if henry doesn't want to marry her, i will. - she's all yours. i already got a girlfriend. - outstanding ! -besides, i don't even know her. -you'll get your chance thursday night. - i've invited the fongs for dinner. - sorry, i won't be here. i'm having dinner at sara's on thursday. oh, i'm sure you can get out of it. just tell them that this is very important. well, so is this. sara set this whole thing up so that we can tell her parents she and i are going together. oh ? this sounds serious. i assume that you've given this considerable thought ? - oh, sure. - and the fact that she's not chinese ? what's that got to do with it ?
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your mother and i always assumed you would marry a chinese girl. who said anything about marriage ? we're just going together. - have you met her parents ? - yes, and they seem like very nice people. i'm sure they are. and this dinner is to announce the fact that you're going together ? yes. - then i would be prepared if i were you. - for what ? - for disappointment. - i don't understand. - maybe this is not the time-- - this is exactly the time ! here's what i think will happen. they will both be very nice. they will talk to you about chinese food. then they will talk to you about china. then they will ask you not to go with their daughter. - no, they won't. - they will probably say that you're both too young. but that's silly. we're both 17. that's what they will say, but what they will mean... is they don't want you involved with sara because you are chinese. i think you're wrong. the grayson's aren't like that.
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perhaps. i hope you're right. - so, did you find out ? - well, i started talking to the foreman of the crew-- - and you found out what it's going to be ? - yes, a laundromat. a laundromat ? good ! i can bring my clothes in the morning, and wash them while i'm working here. did you hear, mr. brashov ? it's going to be a laundromat next door. - a laundromat ? not good. - why not ? they'll be coming in here all the time asking for change for the machines... and never buying anything. a place like that is going to be nothing but a nuisance. you'll see. no water ! oh, now what ? jamal. see what is wrong back there. - could you change this for me ? - certainly. you wouldn't happen to know the number of the department of water and power, would you ? it's in the book by the phone. why do you need to call water and power ? - we're trying to connect up the washers next door-- - the laundromat ?
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uh-huh. my foreman went out to turn off the main valve but it didn't work. - the water's still coming out. - oh, it worked all right. he turned off my water. oh, no ! what a mess. sorry. i haven't even introduced myself. - linda blasco. - victor brashov. - i guess we'll be seeing a lot of each other. - i wouldn't be a bit surprised. well, now that i know what happened, i don't need to make that call. - do you want your change back ? - no, you can keep it for the machines. what a nice neighbor ! i like this place. i'm really glad i'm next door. what did i tell you ? already asking for change ! - don't be so quick to judge. she looks nice. - she looks like a gypsy ! she does not ! she looks like what they used to call a hippie. same thing !
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erma schaeffer spent the first 20 years of her life in the philippines. riard schaeffer grew up in a mexican-american neighborhood. they met each other at work, and he asked her for a date. so i went to pick her up and i was kind of shocked to see someone there other than you. i go, "who's that ?" "that's my niece." in the philippines that was tradition that you just don't go out with a man... without any chaperon with you, regardless of how old you are. in mexican culture, in mexico they do have chaperons but this was the united states and i was an american. so i told him the proper way of doing this courtship is you have to come over to my house show yourself to my parents, and talk to them a little bit. so, one day we agreed on... going to meet her family. and i brought my mother and my father. and she brought her whole family...
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which was about 20 people sitting in the living room. at first, maybe, they didn't understand me and my culture, but eventually i won them over. and actually they dearly love him. and they always ask, "how are you treating your husband ? are you taking care of him ?" it worked out. david freeman was a peace corps volunteer, teaching english in ivory coast when he met and married kati. in the beginning my mother and my father were not in agreement to the marriage. and i think part of the reason was obviously the racial question. adjustments are part of any new marriage. but in these two cases richard and erma and david and kati were blending different cultures as well as personalties. one of the cultural problems that we had to overcome...
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was the problem of interpreting body language. in ivory coast at least in her tribe, when you give something to somebody-- well, go ahead and give me something. okay, so you do it with this movement of the hand and then a "hmm." i interpreted that as her being angry at me. the most difficult cultural issues that i had to deal with as far as our marriage was probably getting used to the tight filipino family unit. the family goes everywhere together. i had to tell her, "is there any other way that we can deal with this problem ?" i felt like there wasn't enough room for us to grow together. another one of the cross-cultural problems that we had had to do with silence. africans are surround by noise, by sound by people talking constantly. and inhe earlier years ourarriage, would me h.. and i would just be silent because i was tired of teaching and talking.
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through the years, these and other issues have been replaced... with an appreciation for eir cultural differences... and the richness it has brought to their lives. sure, you can have your fights you can have your arguments, you can have your good times but it's the emphasis on family. for our children they have a richness that they can reach into. maybe the point in life that they're ready to get married i would have the same concern as my folks did. but regardless of who they are, i think the most important thing is... they're being treated well just like my husband does to me. i see they're repainting the lines in the parking lot. they're doing what ?
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rearranging the spaces. making thediagonal rather than straight. who's doing that ? it looks like two of the workers from next door. the gypsy lady ! she's not a gypsy. no, she's a thief ! taking some of my parking spaces away from me. if i have fewer spaces i end up with fewer customers ! - can she do that ? - you'd have to check the lease to find out for sure. sara, pass some more potatoes to henry. you think the cowboys will win the super bowl this year ? - gosh, i hope not. i hate the cowboys. - henry ! oh. we're all cowboys fans in this family. oh, sorry. - do you play any sports ? - a little hockey. oh, isn't that an awfully violent game ? a lot of people make that mistake, but it's actually a game of finesse. you have to be a really good skater so you can move the puck around and score.
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- but there is some rough play isn't there ? - well, maybe a little. - have you had enough to eat, henry ? - yes. thanks. we thought about having chinese, but gail thought you might be tired of all that... chop suey and egg foo young, and would like some good old american steak and potatoes. actually, we never eat chop suey or egg foo young. they were invented for americans. but i thought-- well, whenever we go out for chinese, they're always on the menu. i know. they have to do it for the american business. well, you learn something new every day. well, you know, when we were in hong kong last year, we went to a real chinese restaurant. i think we were the only white people in the whole restaurant. well, they didn't have any egg foo young on that menu either. remember, gail ? oh, don't remind me. we ordered fish and they served it with the head still on it. oh ! the head's the best part. we especially like the cheek. oh ! we have a saying when it comes to food: "if it's got four legs and isn't a table, we eat it."
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now ? now what ? henry, maybe we should-- it's okay. i don't mind. sara and i are going together. well, this is a surprise. sara thought you should know. didn't you, sara ? wouldn't it be wiser to wait a bit ? - for what ? - to perhaps give this a little more thought. you see, henry we have so many plans for our daughter. well, just as i'm sure that your parents do for you. - are you saying you don't want us to be together ? - no. we're just asking you to put it off for a little while. you don't approve of me ? - i wouldn't put it like that. -
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well, i would. excuse me. i think i'd better leave. what am i going to do, jamal ? every time i call her, she hangs up. then you might have a problem. i know. i'm not sure you do know. i think maybe you are the problem. well, that doesn't make any sense. you're asking sara to choose between her family and you. all i'm asking her to do is see my side. she had to have seen how her mother and father treated me. did they come right out and say they do not approve of you ? not in so many words but they hinted pretty strongly. - and you think it's because you're chinese ? - what else could it be ? it could be for any number of reasons. maybe it's because you are a goofball or your hair is too long or maybe they think you're an ill-mannered adolescent. you think i'm a goofball ? i do.
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how do your parents feel about it ? they'd be a lot happier if sara were chinese. - sounds like you're getting it from both sides. - i remember when i asked... jihan's parents for permission for us to marry, and they gave us all sorts of reasons to wait. what they were really trying to say was... they didn't want me to steal their daughter away from them. -but i don't want to steal sara. -then why don't you tell her parents that ? - you make it sound so simple. - it is ! just go over and knock on their door. - no, wait ! i have a better idea ! - uh-oh. you get your parents together with sara's mother and father, - and all of you talk about your problem. - you call that simple ? it will be very dramatic. just like the end of romeo and juliet. but romeo and juliet were already dead when their parents got together. not important. what is important is how you get them to meet. it will have to be very clever. something that will catch their interest. - you mean like sending a telegram ? - i like that idea. - you can't ignore a telegram. - you're going to send a telegram to sara's house ? - and one to your parents, too. - and what will you say in it ?
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come to-- come to-- where ? here. yes ! "come to crossroads cafe." and what ? why ? for rosa rivera's famous chile verde. don't be silly. because you won the lottery ! and you called me silly. that would certainly get them here, but what would they do when they find out there is no lottery ? they'd kill me, that's what. well, i'll fix it so they meet by accident. sure, at a supermarket or a mall. no, too many people. we have to find a way to get henry's family over to sara's house and-- you're going to have my entire family hanging around outside sara's house ? - something like that. - oh, beautiful. and when sara and her parents finally come out henry's father says, "oh, what a coincidence. i just happened to be in the neighborhood." - maybe use different words. - this is crazy. why not just ask them to come to the cafe because you would like to speak with them ? that might work. but when i get them here what will i say ? hey, we can't do everything for you.
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- now what ? - this is the last straw ! did you just lose power ? look around. see if you notice anything... different. right. they're out. turn that switch back on ! gotcha ! okay, now, try the switch next to it. sorry about that. we're still trying to figure out what goes where. do you believe that woman ?
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i like language and the way we use it... for example, in this episode... we're talking about likes and dislikes. we use "like" and "don't like"... to talk about what we like to do as well as what we like.
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i "don't like" making you late for the rest of the story. so, shall we go ? what do you think ? i think you better get out there
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before they decide to leave. hi. hello. - did everybody get coffee or tea or something ? - henry, why are we all here ? oh, right. well, the reason i asked you here is-- well, sara and i thought-- - is this about the dinner last week ? - yes. actually, i wanted to apologize for how i acted that night. - i was very rude. - all we asked you to do was put off this "going together." give us a chance to get used to the idea. i know, but that night i read something else into it. you thought we were prejudiced ? - it seemed that way to me, yes. - well, you made a mistake. just a minute. are you sure he was all that wrong ? mom, please-- are you saying that henry being chinese had no bearing on you asking him to wait ? - none whatsoever. - let me ask you that question. wouldn't you rather henry marry a chinese girl than sara ?
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dad, we're not going to get married. naturally, it is important to us, but-- - of course that was before we met sara. - well, there you are. i never had a problem with henry being of a different culture. - that's not entirely true, dad. - sara, your father was just upset. this isn't working. all i wanted was... to tell everyone i was sorry so things could be like they were before. henry, i'm sorry. when i set up the dinner it never occurred to me that it might get this crazy. me neither. all i wanted was to be with you. that's all i want now. me, too. let me get this straight. you're asking henry and sara to wait a bit ? - right ? - for what ? before you do something. you know. oh... right. you mean like something stupid ? look, we love you and we respect you, but we're both old enough to know what we're doing
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and we're both old enough to make some of our own decisions. every 17-year-old in the history of the world thought they knew more than their parents. i think you forgot that we were 17 once ourselves. - or maybe you forgot. - henry, that's no way to talk to mr. grayson ! i don't mean to insult you, any of you. you're too important to me. we know you see things differently than we do and we don't expect you to change a whole lot, though it sure would make our lives a lot easier. kids, they make everything sound so simple. maybe it is... for them. maybe we're the ones who make it so complicated. i guess we'll just have to trust them. i think you're right. victor ? now what ? i came to tell you how really, really sorry i am about all the trouble i've caused you...
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getting my place started up. but i guess i don't have to tell you about what happens when you open a business. i bet you have got some real scary stories tucked away in there. you got something on your mind. i guess you noticed that i got tired of waiting for the owner of this complex... to do something about the lack of parking spaces. - i noticed. - so what i did was... ask a friend who's a motion-studies person... if she could come up with a better way to utilize the parking area. by having the cars parked on an angle, she was able to get six more parking spaces for each of us ! six more ? right ! also, i had this idea-- i hope you don't think i'm being pushy-- about what ? well, i thought that maybe i'd put up some advertisements in the laundromat... telling my customers that they should come over here for a snack... while they're waiting for their clothes to finish.
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sit. have a cup of coffee. let's talk. oh, not again. not to worry. it's just my neighbor. they'll have it fixed in no time. closed-captioned by captions, inc. los angeles crossroads cafe is a series that teaches english... to speakers of other languages.
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